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At-fault driver ran a red light into me — insurer says I'm 25% responsible?? How??

I still can't wrap my head around this. About six weeks ago I was driving through an intersection on a green light — I even slowed down a little because I'm always cautious at busy crossings — and a driver blew straight through the red and T-boned me on the passenger side. My toddler was in his car seat back there. Thankfully he's physically okay, but I've had whiplash and some shoulder damage that I'm still going to PT for.

The other driver's insurance took forever to even call me. I finally got a hold of someone last week and they're claiming I'm 25% at fault because — get this — I "could have taken evasive action." I was driving through a GREEN light. What evasive action am I supposed to take against someone I never even saw coming?

I had a lawyer briefly but honestly felt like I was just a file number to them. They barely communicated with me. I eventually asked for my file back and I'm navigating this myself for now while I figure out my next step.

I have the intersection camera footage (got it from the city before it got overwritten), a police report that clearly names the other driver as running the light, and two witness statements.

Is this "shared fault" tactic normal? Is it even worth arguing with their adjuster directly or am I just wasting my time? I'm exhausted and my shoulder still kills me and I just want this resolved fairly.

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  • 15
    sharp-kestrel-787

    That 25% thing is a classic opening move. They throw a partial-fault claim at you hoping you'll just accept it and settle cheaper. You have a green light, a police report, AND camera footage? They're fishing. Don't negotiate with yourself — don't counter with 10% or anything like that. Push back hard on the liability finding first before anything else gets discussed.

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      kind-survivor495

      Appreciate the detailed write-up. Saving this for later.

  • 22
    wise-wren-156

    I used to work on the claims side and I'll be straight with you: that "evasive action" language is something adjusters are sometimes coached to use when they want to chip away at liability. It almost never holds up when there's objective evidence like a traffic camera. The moment you mentioned you have footage, that should have ended the comparative fault argument. If they're still pushing it, they're hoping you don't know how strong your position is.

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      weary-wanderer839

      Thanks for sharing. Hope things are getting a little easier for you.

  • 16
    hearty-beaver-168

    A few practical things worth knowing: first, preserve absolutely everything — that camera footage especially. Make sure it's saved somewhere safe and backed up. Second, the police report naming the other driver is significant but insurers aren't technically bound by it; it's still very persuasive though. Third, if your state uses a "contributory" or "comparative" fault system, it affects how that 25% number would even matter if this went further. Might be worth a free consult with a different attorney just to understand where you stand — a lot of PI lawyers do free case reviews with no commitment.

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    tidy-owl-126

    Almost the exact same thing happened to me at a four-way stop — other driver blew it, hit me, and their insurance tried to say I "entered the intersection without confirming it was clear." I was so frustrated. I ended up getting a second attorney and it made a huge difference just having someone who actually responded to my messages. Don't give up on finding representation just because the first one was a bad fit.

    • 17
      calm-marmot-926

      Stop talking to their adjuster until you have a plan. Seriously. Every conversation is a chance for them to get something they can use to justify that 25% number. You have the goods — footage, police report, witnesses. That's a strong hand. Don't play it casually over the phone with someone whose job is to pay you as little as possible.

  • 17
    bold-heron-428

    Please don't let the insurance stress make you skip PT or push through pain to seem "fine." Whiplash and shoulder injuries are notorious for feeling manageable one week and flaring badly the next. Keep every appointment, follow your provider's recommendations, and make sure everything is documented in your medical record. That documentation matters a lot down the line, and your recovery matters more than moving this claim along quickly.

  • 16
    careful-marmot-989

    Not legal advice, but from a legal standpoint, what you're describing — a documented red-light violation with camera evidence and a corroborating police report — is about as strong a liability picture as you can have. The "evasive action" argument is a stretch at best. I'd strongly suggest at least a free consultation with a personal injury attorney before you respond further to the adjuster. Some things said during adjuster calls can complicate things later.

  • 6
    quick-fox-922

    I'm so sorry you're dealing with all of this while you're still hurt and have a little one to take care of. The fact that you're fighting back and didn't just accept what they offered says a lot. You've clearly done everything right — documenting, getting the footage, the witnesses. I really hope you get someone in your corner soon who actually treats your case like it matters.

    • 0
      honest-passenger527

      This is exactly what I needed to read today. Thank you.

  • 8
    bright-marten-499

    One thing I'd want to understand better — did you get any kind of written explanation from the insurer about why they're assigning you 25%? Like an actual breakdown, not just a verbal claim over the phone? Because if it's just something an adjuster said without anything in writing, that's very different from them having formally made that determination. Worth getting it in writing so you know exactly what you're pushing back against.

    • 7
      hopeful-rider615

      Really glad you posted an update — gives the rest of us some hope.